Recently ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and FOX have featured programs about
Jesus. Inevitably, two things come up:
-
the only information we have about Jesus is in the
Bible, specifically the 4 Gospels, and we can't trust them;
-
Jesus was (if he existed at all) certainly a great man,
but no more than that.
We don't think either of these assumptions is correct.
Dr. John Ankerberg spoke with two biblical scholars to learn what they
had to say about the Bible vs. other classical literature,
interpretive assumptions, and Jesus - His deeds and His claims
about Himself.
|
63 Statements Addressed by Dr. Craig Evans |
|
1. The evidence about Jesus
is better than we have for any other historical figure of his
time. |
|
2. Ancient biographies often
had a theological bias. |
|
3. The best place to find
information about a person is to start with his contemporaries.
|
|
4. "Conspiracy theory" won’t
work to explain away the Gospel accounts about Jesus. |
|
5. All the evidence, both
internal and external, indicates that the Gospels are credible. |
|
6. Ancient historians had a
purpose for writing, and for including or excluding certain
material. |
|
7. Jesus probably spoke
predominately in Aramaic. |
|
8. We need to be realistic
about the kind of physical evidence you should expect to find
from someone who lived 2,000 years ago. |
|
9. Luke (author of the Gospel
that bears his name) claims to have checked many sources,
including eyewitnesses, before writing both Luke and Acts. |
|
10. The Gospels are not
contradictory versions of Jesus’ life. |
|
11. Paul’s writings are
right in line with the Gospel accounts. |
|
12. At least two of the
Gospel writers were eyewitnesses, the other two certainly knew
eyewitnesses. |
|
13. The Gospels were written
within a generation after Jesus’ death. |
|
14. The "Gospel of Peter"
was not a source for Matthew, Mark, and Luke. |
|
15. The Jesus Seminar does
not speak for biblical scholarship. |
|
16. Jesus was a complicated
person. |
|
17. Jesus’ "revolutionary"
cry was for national repentance. |
|
18. The phrase "the Kingdom
of God" holds more than political overtones. |
|
19. Jesus saw himself as a proclaimer
of the Kingdom of God. |
|
20. "Messiah" means more
than "anointed one"—it implies Jesus is the Son of God in some
unique way. |
|
21. Jesus pointed to his
actions to show that he was the Messiah. |
|
22. The title "Son of Man"
had clear divine overtones for the first century Jews. |
|
23. The Gospel accounts of
Jesus’ trial are credible. |
|
24. Jesus was crucified as
"the King of the Jews". |
|
25. Jesus’ entry into
Jerusalem at the Triumphal Entry was a clear Messianic greeting. |
|
26. Jesus must have had a
fairly extensive following at the time of His Triumphal Entry. |
|
27. Jesus understood that He
would be killed when He went to Jerusalem for the Passover. |
|
28. Jesus taught that His
death would be significant. |
|
29. The story of Judas is
historical. |
|
30. There is little reason
to doubt Jesus said the words attributed to him at the Last
Supper. |
|
31. If you are going to
establish your own rules of interpretation you should at least
be consistent in applying them. |
|
32. The Bible is both
historical and theological. |
|
33. The title "Son of God"
meant different things to different people. |
|
34. Caiaphas clearly thought
Jesus was claiming to be the Messiah. |
|
35. Jesus uses "Son of God"
in reference to Himself in ways that the Jews would not have
made up. |
|
36. Jesus has the authority
to forgive sin. |
|
37. Jesus had the authority
to do what he said—unlike the scribes. |
|
38. Jesus performed
miracles. |
|
39. Jesus’ miracles were
quite different from miracle stories of Greek and Roman
mythology. |
|
40. Scholars are compelled
by the evidence to accept that Jesus did miracles.
|
|
41. The Gospel accounts
clearly point to the fact that Jesus saw himself as God. |
|
42. If your worldview
forbids miracles, perhaps you need to change your worldview. |
|
43. Even in Bible times, all
disease was not caused by evil spirits. |
|
44. Ancient people were
perfectly capable of telling a true miracle from a false one. |
|
45. However you look at him,
Jesus was extraordinary. |
|
46. Jesus’ ministry was not
designed simply to create a movement. |
|
47. Jesus did not view his
death as failure. |
|
48. There is no evidence of
a "suffering messiah" concept prior to Jesus’ time. |
|
49. The Triumphal Entry had
clear Messianic overtones. |
|
50. The picture of Pilate in
the Gospels fits with the historical information about him. |
|
51. Jesus’ cleansing of the
Temple threatened the Jewish religious leaders on several
levels. |
|
52. Jesus claims—or at least
strongly implies—that he is sent by God. |
|
53. The resurrection of
Jesus was more than just a psychological phenomenon. |
|
54. There is solid
historical evidence that Jesus died on the cross. So the missing
body has to be explained somehow. |
|
55. We have good evidence of
the message the disciples preached in the time immediately
following Jesus’ resurrection. |
|
56. If you are going to
ignore Jesus, you will have to do so on grounds other than
historical. |
|
57. Jesus understood himself to be uniquely the Son of God. |
|
58. If the Gospels were
written today, they would probably be written differently—but
they weren’t written to 21st century standards, or for a 21st
century audience. |
|
59. The Gospel of Thomas and
the Gospel of Peter are two good examples of what happens when
legend creeps into the story. |
|
60. Jesus’ relationship to
God was unique. |
|
61. "Tradition" in the New
Testament context does not equal "Catholic Tradition". |
|
62. Jesus is for
everybody—but it’s got to be on His terms. |
|
63. Christianity is more
than just a philosophy. |
|
Statements Addressed by Dr. Ben
Witherington |
[Dr. Craig Evans earned his Ph.D. in New Testament from Claremont
Graduate School and is the Director of the Graduate Program in
Biblical Studies at Trinity Western University, where he has taught
since 1981. He has lectured at Cambridge, Durham, and Oxford.
Co-editor of Dictionary of New Testament Backgrounds,
Studying the Historical Jesus: Evaluations of the State of Current
Research and Eschatology, Messianism, and the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Author of Jesus and His Contemporaries.]
Dr. Craig Evans
1. The evidence about Jesus is better than we have for any other
historical figure of his time.
Dr. John Ankerberg: Craig, Peter Jennings opened his special with
these words. He says, "We suspected that reliable sources would be
hard to come by" in terms of investigating Jesus. And they constantly
hammered on the theme that there’s a lack of evidence concerning
Jesus’ life. Is that true?
Dr. Craig Evans: Well, it depends on what you mean by that. There’s
not a lack of evidence if you’re talking about ancient sources that
tell us the important things that Jesus said and did. If you’re
talking about stuff that’s of popular interest like, "How tall was
Jesus?" Or, "What color was His hair or His eyes?" Yeah, we don’t have
information about that. But that’s not what’s important. What’s
important is what He said, what He did, how He understood Himself, how
He understood His mission–and we have plenty of reliable material for
that.
Ankerberg: Compare the material that we have for Jesus with, say,
of Caesar or any other historical figure of that time.
Evans: Well, it’s above average. We have more information about
some of the Roman emperors, but for goodness’ sakes, what are we
talking about? We’re talking about the Roman emperor and Jesus is in
that same league. We have four biographies about Him and with some of
the Caesars we have maybe one biography or maybe two; for some,
nothing at all. So Jesus compares very favorably, never mind comparing
against other, say, ordinary people. But compared the Roman Caesars, I
think He compares rather well.
2. Ancient biographies often had a theological bias.
Ankerberg: Now some people would say the information we have is not
historical biographies because the guys have so much theology in
there. But say, compare that with Tiberius Caesar, the guys that wrote
about him.
Evans: There’s theology in everything that’s written in antiquity.
They don’t make that distinction—"Well, this is secular and this is
theological". Everything is theological. The question for the Caesars
was to what extent did the gods assist, help, inspire, guide,
whatever, the Roman Caesar? So that same idea underlies any kind of
biographical writing in late antiquity. And so just because the New
Testament Gospel writers have a theological interest and that’s what
drives them to tell the story of Jesus in the first place, that
doesn’t disqualify their writing. It doesn’t make it suddenly
unhistorical or of no value.
Ankerberg: Yeah. Give me some examples of ancient history where you
have the same thing come up and yet no historians would throw that
information out.
Evans: Well, there are all sorts of information from Suetonius and
other ancient historians who talk about certain events in the lives of
these Caesars as they grow up and historians normally accept that,
unless it’s something really fantastic or strange this information is
readily accepted. Historians of classical antiquity and history use
the Gospels for information about what was going on in Palestine in
this period of time. For some reason, biblical critics are highly
skeptical, excessively so in many cases, and always approach with sort
a hermeneutic of skepticism or hermeneutic of doubt when they approach
the Gospels—and that’s strange, because historians of classical
antiquity, they don’t do that.
3. The best place to find information about a person is to start
with his contemporaries.
Ankerberg: All right, for a news reporter or a historian, let’s
talk about, where does a person start when you want to find
information about Jesus? What is the historical method? What’s
accepted among the scholars?
Evans: Well, where you begin, you begin with your oldest sources,
your oldest and most reliable sources. And we’ve got them. We have
four Gospels in the New Testament. But there are other gospels and
some people think, Well, what about the Gospel of Peter? Or what about
the Gospel of Thomas? Or what about this source or that source? Well
fine. Scholars who’ve studied them, they don’t compare very well.
Their secondary, second century and later. And I think for good
scholarly reasons, these gospels, by most scholars, are held in
reserve and are not considered of primary importance as are Matthew,
Mark, Luke and John.
Ankerberg: All right, so if you go to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John,
a lot of the folks in the Jesus Seminar would say Matthew didn’t write
Matthew; Mark didn’t write Mark; Luke didn’t write Luke and John
didn’t write John. Okay? What do you say to those people?
Evans: Well, okay, again I think we’ve got a little too much
skepticism going on here. The early Church believed that Matthew the
Apostle wrote Matthew, and that a figure named John, possibly the
Apostle John, wrote John. But the early Church says Mark and whose
Mark wrote Mark. They didn’t say James or they didn’t say Peter. They
didn’t come up with some apostle for Mark. What does that say? And
they come up with Luke? Who’s he? Apart from his authorship of Luke,
Acts, we don’t really know anything about Luke. He’s just a name in
one of Paul’s letters. So why does the Church choose two non-apostolic
authors of the Gospels? It’s because I think they are trying to be
accurate and trying to remember who really did write these things
anyway. So to me that’s a strong indication of the veracity of the
Tradition. Matthew probably did have something to do with the Gospel
of Matthew; and someone named John, possibly the Apostle John,
had something to do with John. And Mark probably is the author of Mark
and Luke probably the author of Luke.
4. "Conspiracy theory" won’t work to explain away the Gospel
accounts about Jesus.
Ankerberg: What would you say to guys that are so skeptical they
say, "Well, you know, even Papias and those guys that lived and wrote
before, say, 110 A.D. and mentioned those fellows in that connection,
they were in cahoots, in other words, they were part of the Church so
they were all building the case here. I mean, where do secular
scholars draw the line and say, "That’s too skeptical?"
Evans: Well, that’s a subjective call I realize but the way you
phrase that question, it sounds almost like a conspiracy theory.
Ankerberg: Right.
Evans: These people are putting their lives on the line. They’re
being murdered in some cases, imprisoned, they lose their jobs. I
mean, there are scary things going on. They’re not in cahoots at all.
They’re looking for the truth and there better be something to it or
they’re not going to believe it. I’m not going to lose my job, I’m not
going to be imprisoned, I’m not going to be executed for some kind of
a thing that I know is false or something that’s a conspiracy. I’m not
going to be in cahoots with somebody just so that I can pull the wool
over the public’s eyes. And I find that kind of argument not very
persuasive.
5. All the evidence, both internal and external, indicates that the
Gospels are credible.
Ankerberg: Go the opposite way. Tell us why it’s acceptable to
scholars that probably the writers, the traditional writers, did write
it. In other words, that we do have good information from people
rather relatively close to the fellows that wrote the stuff who
verified it.
Evans: Sure. What’s so strange about the idea that somebody would
put to writing, set down in writing, the life, the teaching and the
events, the major events, of somebody that in their opinion fulfilled
prophecy, was the long awaited Messiah and Redeemer of Israel. What’s
so strange that after the passing of 30 years or so this is all put to
writing? We would expect that. It would be very strange if they had
not. So I’m not surprised at all that several Gospels within one
generation were produced. That really is what we should expect.
6. Ancient historians had a purpose for writing, and for including
or excluding certain material.
Ankerberg: All right, now, talk about the methodology of writers in
ancient history as well as the New Testament writers, how did they go
about organizing their material? In other words, Matthew seemed to be
writing to a certain crowd; Luke seemed to be writing to a different
crowd; John seemed to be writing to a different crowd. Is that bad?
Does that automatically knock one writer out versus another? How did
people in ancient history write?
Evans: Well, that’s how they wrote. And the whole idea in writing a
story was, there was a moral to it. There was something about it. It
taught the youths something. It conveyed and passed on values. That
was the whole purpose. And so there was always a slant to how one
wrote. But the Gospels, what are interesting about them in comparison
to other biographies an antiquity, you have this very old, very
archaic material that survives. Sometimes even though the Greek gets
bumpy because of the underlying Hebrew or Aramaic, and it smacks of
antiquity and originality, authenticity. You don’t just have real
smooth, polished Greek speeches the way you usually do in the
Greco-Roman sources. But you get a little bit of this...you know you
read and you think, "This is kind of funny. It sounds a little better
in Hebrew or Aramaic." And I think that’s a sign of the originality
and antiquity that we see at work in the Gospels.
7. Jesus probably spoke predominately in Aramaic.
Ankerberg: What language do you think Jesus spoke?
Evans: Well, I think He predominantly spoke Aramaic, but linguistic
study in late antiquity in Israel—and by that I mean inscriptions that
we find. We find inscriptions of graves, on ossuaries, bone boxes; the
manuscripts that we have found and so on—you can’t rule out Greek and
even Hebrew. I think in Judea itself and in Jerusalem the language
spoken there was probably more Hebrew than it was Aramaic. You go up
into Galilee where Jesus ministered and where He was raised, and it’s
more Aramaic than it is Hebrew. And yet you’ve got Greek everywhere.
And so I think it’s distinctly possible that when Jesus was speaking,
for example, to the Syro-Phoenician woman He may very well have been
speaking to her in Greek. When He was being interrogated by Pontius
Pilate, the Roman governor, that conversation may very well have taken
place in Greek.
8. We need to be realistic about the kind of physical evidence you
should expect to find from someone who lived 2,000 years ago.
Ankerberg: Jennings stated, "All but the most skeptical historians
believed Jesus was a real person even though when you come
here"—talking about coming to the Holy Land—"you do not find any
physical evidence." They’re talking about the rock that Mary sat on
and stuff like this. My question is, What kind of evidence should
people expect to find in the Holy Land today regarding Jesus?
Evans: Well, of course, I mean, a question like that would exclude
99.99 percent of the population that had ever lived in Palestine in
late antiquity. I mean, what kind of evidence is he talking about?
Pieces of property with your name inscribed on it? I guess. In which
case we have precious little evidence. About the only time anybody’s
name shows up on something is on an epitaph; it’s on his grave; it’s
on a tomb; it’s on a bone box. That’s about it. And so I don’t know
what evidence we can talk about.
Ankerberg: Yeah, talk about the other way of the archaeological
evidence, some of the archaeological evidence that we have found in
the Holy Land that substantiates the New Testament record. It’s not
every piece of the New Testament record, but you’ve got enough that it
makes it credible. In other words, if there are some things that show
up like the stuff that Luke said in Acts and in Luke, what are the
things that stand out in your mind that have been found, say, in the
last 20 years archaeologically that substantiate we’ve got a solid
historical account?
Evans: Yeah. Well, there are several things that come to mind. One
of the things that’s very interesting is the way Jesus replies to John
the Baptist and he wants to know, "Are you really the one who is
coming or do we look for somebody else?" And Jesus, in an almost
indirect way, says, "Well, go back and tell John what you see and
hear: the blind regain their sight, etc." and we read that and we
think, early Christians didn’t make that up because they’re not going
to make up a story about John expressing doubt about Jesus. And
they’re not going to make up a story where Jesus indirectly replies.
And so that was accepted as authentic but people were left wondering,
how come Jesus doesn’t come right out and say, "Well, I’m the Messiah.
Go back and tell him, ‘Of course I am.’" Well, then we find a scroll
from Qumran and we realize the way He replied was indeed messianic.
The passages of Isaiah He was alluding to — it’s clearly messianic.
It’s discoveries like that long the way, and we realize, "Huh! the
reason we didn’t understand it before is we just didn’t know any
better. We just lacked the information." The culture, the background,
things that anybody living in Palestine in the first century just took
for granted we don’t know. You get a Ph.D. basically. You get a Ph.D.
today to know some of what the average illiterate person knew back
then. And it really is funny when you think about it. And so there are
things we find and we realize, "Ah! now we understand the Gospels
better," or we realize, "Yeah, they’re telling the truth all along but
we just didn’t know because we lacked the information. There are
examples like that.
9. Luke (author of the Gospel that bears his name) claims to have
checked many sources, including eyewitnesses, before writing both Luke
and Acts.
Ankerberg: All right, you’ve written a commentary on Luke. Luke
says, in the very first verse, "Many have undertaken to draw up an
account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, just as they
were handed down to us from those who from the first were
eyewitnesses." What was he talking about? What do these words mean?
Evans: Well, it’s very clear what he means by that. He’s going to
provide an accurate account of the important elements in the life of
Jesus. And there is no reason in the study of Luke and Acts to think
that he did not do that. Luke wrote a very good history, very reliable
history, and where he can be checked, where we actually can compare
what he says to other sources in late antiquity, Luke has it right.
Ankerberg: When Luke says, "Hey, when I came on the scene, many had
already written an account," what kind of stuff was he looking at do
you think?
Evans: Well, he may very well have been talking about an early
edition of Mark, an early edition of a collection of Jesus’ sayings.
At least, it’s in the plural, at least two other accounts already are
in circulation, maybe more than that. And so his Gospel is not one of
the first, it’s one of a series.
Ankerberg: Okay, he says, "Therefore, since I myself have carefully
investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me
to write an orderly account." What do those words mean, "I myself have
carefully investigated these reports"? How did he do that?
Evans: Well, if he is indeed the Luke of Luke/Acts, and I believe
he is, then he’s an eyewitness to some extent. He actually is with
Paul during some of his travels in the Book of Acts. It also means
he’s been in Palestine. He’s actually had a chance to meet
face-to-face with some of the living eyewitnesses, people who could
tell him things about what Jesus said and did; people who saw Him with
their own eyes.
Ankerberg: Now, why then would modern scholars doubt what the man
claims? Is that fair?
Evans: No. I don’t think it is fair. I think, again, it’s this
hyper-skepticism that’s at work. And they look at that and the very
verses that you read at the beginning of Luke’s Gospel, they say,
"Well, that’s formulaic. That’s the kind of things that historians
write." And then they go on and politicize and say whatever they want.
But I think it’s unfair to assume that an author of the caliber of
Luke says this and doesn’t really mean it and doesn’t really live up
to it.
Ankerberg: Yeah. Anything else you can say about that kind of
skepticism that would be an illustration from ancient history that
suggests you shouldn’t do that. You ought to give the benefit of the
doubt, whether the guy is a Christian, Buddhist, Gnostic, agnostic or
whatever.
Evans: The benefit of the doubt is in fact given to ancient
historians. That’s the routine. If you have reason to suspect the
veracity, if you have reason to suspect their motives, fine. But
routinely the benefit of the doubt is given to our ancient sources.
It’s something about skeptical biblical scholars who do not give the
benefit of the doubt to New Testament writers. And I don’t know what
that is. It’s a disease or something.
Ankerberg: Okay. Take, besides Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, let’s
stray for a moment into Peter’s book because Peter is also a part of
the New Testament and what he said is that, you know, "we have not
devised cunning tales in making known unto you the coming of the Lord
Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His glory." Okay? Does this
kind of stuff count when Peter just says in black and white, "Hey! We
were eyewitnesses."
Evans: Well, there’s an irony in this whole thing and that is,
classical scholars who study classical history lament the lack of
sources, but biblical scholars, skeptical biblical scholars, discount
the sources they do have.
10. The Gospels are not contradictory versions of Jesus’ life.
Ankerberg: Peter Jennings said, "Scholars told us early on that
they don’t take everything they read in the New Testament literally
because the New Testament is four different and sometimes
contradictory versions of Jesus’ life." Do we have four contradictory
versions of Jesus’ life? Or is there something going on?
Evans: No. That’s an exaggeration. We have four Gospel accounts.
They are not the same, that is quite true. Matthew, Mark and Luke are
very similar. John is very different. However, what they do is, they
give us different aspects of Jesus’ life and they’re attempting to do
different things. They’re speaking to different audiences. They cover
different material. They present it in different ways—they arrange it
and present it differently. And so I think the fact of the differences
is exaggerated and they are not really that different. And the
portrait of Jesus as it images is remarkably coherent and consistent.
If we had four Gospels that said essentially the same thing, then
people would suspect collusion. They’d say, "Hey, this is artificial.
This just isn’t the way it is." And so the diversity provides us like
a check and a balance and we realize, Hey, we’ve got four different
sources coming at it from different angles and yet a unified picture
still emerges.
Ankerberg: Give me a real example of where the scholars, like the
Jesus Seminar, would say they do contradict each other that you think
would show, not collusion, but the fact is, the veracity by the fact
that they did say it differently.
Evans: One of the very obvious differences, Matthew, Mark and Luke
give the Jesus’ temple cleansing, as it’s traditionally called, His
temple action, at the end of His ministry. John places it at the
beginning of His ministry in John chapter 2. What’s going on there?
And if we had collusion, if we had something that was artificial, I
don’t think that would happen. John puts it at a different location.
He’s trying to make a different point. I think he’s trying to present
Jesus as something over against the Temple establishment and he wants
his entire story stamped with that, so it’s presented near the
beginning.
For Mark, it occurs near the end, which is when I think, on a
historical level, it probably happened.
Ankerberg: Is there anything wrong with them choosing that?
Evans: No. Why not? In fact, that’s what I think accounts for why
John is so different from Matthew, Mark and Luke. John is trying to do
something very different. I mean, he ought to be given a Pulitzer
Prize. It’s an interesting piece of literature that he’s put together.
So he’s giving us some theology. He has given us confessional material
and at the same time he’s updating it and trying to make it very
relevant for a persecuted and recently excommunicated Church at the
end of the first century. And John does it very effectively and he
can’t do it by just simply giving us a fourth synoptic Gospel.
11. Paul’s writings are right in line with the Gospel accounts.
Ankerberg: Now, pull Paul in here, too, in terms of showing that we
have information that we could trust in the Synoptics and John via
Paul because the Gospels may be "out" in terms of some of the
scholars, but Paul is "in." Well, if Paul is "in," what does that tell
you about the Synoptics?
Evans: When some of the scholars say that Paul doesn’t really know
the Gospel tradition or doesn’t relate to it, they’re wrong because
you have the tradition of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John in Paul in
various places–like the words of institution: the Last Supper in 1
Corinthians 11; or the eyewitnesses of the Resurrection mentioned in 1
Corinthians 15. There is important Matthew, Mark, Luke tradition right
there in Paul years before Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were written.
12. At least two of the Gospel writers were eyewitnesses, the other
two certainly knew eyewitnesses.
Ankerberg: Peter Jennings said in the Special: "It is pretty much
agreed among scholars that the Gospel writers were not eyewitnesses."
What would you say to that?
Evans: Well, two of the Gospel writers were not eyewitnesses but
that does not mean they did not know eyewitnesses. Two of the other
Gospel writers may very well have been–and that’s Matthew and John.
And so again, Jennings’ statement reflects what I think is a
hypercritical stand that’s entertained by some scholars but not by
all.
13. The Gospels were written within a generation after Jesus’
death.
Ankerberg: Another statement that he made was, "In fact, the
Gospels were probably written 40 to 100 years after Jesus’ death."
Where would you place them?
Evans: Okay, 40 to 100 years. That’s way too far. I would put them
more like 35 to 50 years after Jesus’ death.
Ankerberg: And if they are 35 to 50 years after Jesus’ death, if He
died in 30 A.D. and they’re on the newsstands at 60 A.D. up to say 85
A.D., what does that tell you about the content of those books?
Evans: Well, the books are written within the lifetime of
eyewitnesses and written in the lifetime of people who knew what Jesus
said and did.
That’s another important thing about it. The Gospels are very
honest about the criticism that’s leveled against Jesus. And so you
have some critics saying, "Oh, sure. He performs miracles. Yes, He can
cast out demons. But He had Satan’s help in doing that." And the
Gospels acknowledge, admit that, yeah, there’s controversy. But what I
find interesting, as a historian, is that whether you accept Him or
not, whether you believe in Him or not, everybody acknowledges He did
those things.
14. The "Gospel of Peter" was not a source for Matthew, Mark, and
Luke.
Ankerberg: There are other documents that aren’t a part of what we
call the traditional New Testament. How should scholars, how should
people in general evaluate these when the Jesus Seminar is pulling
them up and making them like the Fifth Gospel? Do you agree with that
kind of thinking?
Evans: No. I don’t. On the level of as a historian and as a
scholar, I think everything is "fair game." And if somebody finds a
Gospel, they did it up and find it in Israel tomorrow, I want to look
at it and take it very seriously. So in that sense I don’t privilege
the canonical Gospels. Just because they’re in the Canon, that doesn’t
mean that everything else will be ignored or belittled or something
like that. But, after doing the study, what are the results? I’m not
impressed by the Gospel of Thomas. I’m not impressed by the
Gospel of Peter. I think that book has no credibility at all. And
some of the other writings.
Ankerberg: Why?
Evans: Well, I could give you a grocery list of items that are
serious problem with the Gospel of Peter. The Gospel of
Peter contains fantastic and bizarre elements that smack of the
second century. The Gospel of Peter has ruling priests and
members of the Sanhedrin, the Jewish Sanhedrin, sleeping over in a
cemetery. Anybody who knows anything about Judaism and their concern
with corpse impurity and that sort of thing–a sleep-over in a
cemetery! You’ve got to be kidding me! That’s in the Gospel of
Peter. And Dom Crossan says this contains the earliest account of
the Resurrection. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are dependent upon it?
Give me a break! That just won’t wash. Sorry, Dom.
Ankerberg: That’s right. But that’s exactly the truth. Anything
else?
Evans: Well, the non-canonical Gospels have been carefully studied.
Almost all scholars view them as secondary and inferior to Matthew,
Mark, Luke and John. I know that the Jesus Seminar in recent years
have made them in vogue. The Gospel of Peter, though, contains
anachronistic things. The author of the Gospel of Peter isn’t
really sure who rules Judea. He seems confused with who Herod is, with
Pilate. He doesn’t understand Jewish customs and traditions. There’s a
touch of Gnosticism, I think, or something like that which shows up in Peter. All of these things. The very description of the
Resurrection itself. Two angels who are giants whose heads reach up
into the heavens. They go into the tomb. They bring Jesus out. His
head goes above the heavens. This is the NBA "Dream Team." And what
comes out following them is the cross? What is this cross doing? Is it
a pogo stick, boing, boing, boing, following these three? And then a
voice from Heaven says, "Have you preached to them that sleep?" And
who answers the question? The cross. Not one of the angels. Not Jesus.
The cross does. And we’re told, "Oh, yeah, this could date back to the
50’s of the first century and Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are
dependent on it." I don’t believe that. And most scholars don’t
either.
15. The Jesus Seminar does not speak for biblical scholarship.
Ankerberg: What is the opinion of the European scholars, many of
them that we’re going to interview in Europe, concerning our American
Jesus Seminar group?
Evans: The opinion is not very good, to put it mildly. Continental
scholarship, they either haven’t heard of the Jesus Seminar or if they
have, they dismiss it derisively. British scholarship, it’s just the
same way. They.... "They Jesus Seminar! Oh, you must be kidding. Does
anybody take them seriously?" That’s the European response. I’ve seen
that firsthand.
Ankerberg: What about in scholarly circles in our own country? When
you go to your meetings with the other scholars, do they lead the way?
Evans: No. They do not. They try to be influential and they’ve had
positions of leadership; but I’m an active member of the Historical
Jesus section of the Society of Biblical Literature. Three, four
hundred show up typically at their meetings. That’s about 10 times
what typically show up at a Jesus Seminar meeting. And the Jesus
Seminar guys, when they present their distinctive views–like a
non-eschatological Jesus, or the Gospel of Peter as a primary source
for the other Gospels–those views are simply–to put it with
slang–"blown out of the water." These are minority opinions and they
do not hold sway in the larger cross-section of Gospel scholars
throughout North America.
Ankerberg: Then are the scholars astonished that they get such
great press?
Evans: I think they are, but then I think they look at that as
that’s the way the media operates and they’re not impressed.
16. Jesus was a complicated person.
Ankerberg: Okay, we’re going to come back to this thing of, there
are so many different Jesuses that are being written about. You’ve got
the Spirit Jesus, the Exorcist Jesus; you’ve got the Revolutionary
Jesus; the Peasant Jesus. You know? What’s going on here in terms of
methodology? How do you get to these different Jesuses and what’s also
wrong with just coming out with the specific kind of Jesus: the
Peasant Jesus, the Spirit Jesus, etc.?
Evans: Well, part of the problem is, there’s a grain of truth in
all of it. Jesus was called Rabbi. So to refer to Him as "Rabbi" I
think is legitimate. He refers to Himself as a prophet and is regarded
by others, we are told, as a prophet. So I think that’s true, too. He
is a healer and He is a man of the Spirit, and so a lot of these
categories are, to some extent, accurate. The least accurate, in my
view, is that Jesus is to be regarded as a philosopher. And what is
terribly inaccurate is to compare Him to a cynic. And so I think what
happens with scholars is they get hold of a particular facet, they
find it fascinating, and they pursue it. And sometimes to the expense
of other legitimate categories. The truth of the matter is, Jesus was
a complicated person. He was an unusual individual and incorporated
many, many of these dimensions within His own person and in His
ministry.
Now, part of the problem with the "cynic" for hypothesis–if I may
pursue that one–is the archaeology does not support it. A number of
years ago, archaeology at Sepphoris, a town which is just four miles
away from Nazareth, so Jesus grew up, you might say, in shadow of
Sepphoris, a city on a hill nearby. And it’s a city that was very
urbanized and scholars thought, "Hey! This is a Greco-Roman city and
Greco-Roman cities have cynics in them. So perhaps Jesus was
influenced by a cynic." The problem is that now that they’ve pretty
well completed their work, it turns out that Sepphoris was a very
Jewish city prior to the year 70. How do they know that? There’s no
pig bones in the dump. It’s interesting how archaeology can do these
things. After 70, it then becomes a heavily Gentilized city. There’s a
Greco-Roman presence. And we find pig bones in the dump. In fact, one
third of the bones are from pork and swine and so on. And so we
realize, Hey, this was a Jewish city. There weren’t any cynics in this
city. There weren’t any cynics there in Sepphoris to influence Jesus
in nearby Nazareth.
17. Jesus’ "revolutionary" cry was for national repentance.
Ankerberg: All right in talking there let’s talk about environment
shaping Jesus’ views. He’s living next to Sepphoris and you’ve got
other towns, and the Romans have done things to the Jews down through
the years. Bring me up to speed here in terms of Jesus’ period of time
when He lived, how much influence was there from the Romans on the
Jewish people that would have influenced Jesus’ life. Could it have
made Him into a political revolutionary?